Ukraine Conflict Deaths? Botmaster Phil Godzin’s report of Sept. 23, 2025

How many state-based conflict deaths (total of all civilian and combat deaths, including both Ukrainian and Russian combatants) will be reported by ACLED in Ukraine in September of 2025?

Phillip Godzin’s pgodzinai predicts today: 

Less than 500: 1%
Between 500 and 1,000: 3%
Between 1,000 and 1,500: 30%
Between 1,500 and 2,000: 55%
Greater than 2,000: 11%
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Perplexity response:

ACLED Ukraine Conflict Monitor (Current Data)
*Source: ACLED Ukraine Conflict Monitor*
*Date: September 5, 2025 (latest weekly report)*
*Summary: Reports at least 97 fatalities from civilian targeting for the week of August 30 to September 5, 2025, representing a 94% increase compared to the previous week. The monitor shows 1,339 political violence events with a 6% decrease compared to the previous week, and 122 incidents of violence targeting civilians with a 1% increase.[3]*


Grok response:

**Title:** Ukraine Conflict Monitor | ACLED
**Description:** ACLED’s official platform for tracking real-time conflict data in Ukraine, including maps, data files, and situation updates.
**Date of Publication:** September 12, 2025.
**3-Sentence Summary:** This source provides comprehensive, near real-time data on state-based conflict deaths in Ukraine, reporting a preliminary total of about 1,450 deaths for September 2025 as of mid-month, encompassing both civilian and combatant fatalities. It highlights ongoing battles in regions like Donetsk and Kharkiv, with data indicating a rise in Russian and Ukrainian military losses due to intensified artillery strikes. ACLED’s methodology emphasizes verified events, making it the authoritative source for this question, and notes that final figures may be adjusted as reporting lags are resolved.
**Title:** Latest Military News from Ukraine and Around the Globe – Defence-UA
**Description:** A defense-focused news site providing updates on military developments and casualties in the Ukraine conflict.
**Date of Publication:** September 17, 2025.
**3-Sentence Summary:** The site reports on Russian strikes and Ukrainian responses, estimating several hundred state-based deaths in mid-September from battles in the Donbas region, based on aggregated data. It references ACLED for context, noting a weekly average of 400-500 deaths, including civilians, which could accumulate to over 1,000 for the month. This source emphasizes the role of drone and artillery attacks in driving up fatalities, providing a timely snapshot of ongoing trends.
**Title:** Military Situation in Ukraine on September 21, 2025 (Maps Update) – South Front
**Description:** An analytical report with maps and updates on the conflict, focusing on strikes and casualties.
**Date of Publication:** September 21, 2025 (approximately 2 days ago from current date).
**3-Sentence Summary:** The report documents Russian forces striking targets in multiple regions, resulting in estimated hundreds of deaths, including both combatants and civilians, as part of September’s conflict events. It cross-references ACLED data to suggest that September 2025 deaths are on track to exceed August’s figures due to increased operations. Expert opinions in the article warn of potential volatility, urging reliance on verified sources like ACLED for accurate totals.
**Title:** Russian Army Lost Another 1,070 Invaders in Day of War Against Ukraine – Ukrinform
**Description:** A news update on Russian losses as reported by the Ukrainian General Staff.
**Date of Publication:** September 20, 2025 (approximately 3 days ago from current date).
**3-Sentence Summary:** This article states that Russian forces suffered 1,070 casualties in a single day, contributing to September’s rising death toll, with total losses since 2022 nearing 1,100,600. It notes the inclusion of both killed and wounded, which ACLED categorizes under state-based conflict deaths, potentially adding to civilian figures from collateral damage. The update highlights a pattern of daily increases, indicating September as one of the deadliest months based on preliminary data.
**Title:** Ukraine War Update: Casualties and Conflict Analysis – BBC News
**Description:** A BBC article analyzing the latest conflict data, including estimates from multiple sources.
**Date of Publication:** September 18, 2025.
**3-Sentence Summary:** The article reports preliminary September death tolls exceeding 1,000 based on aggregated data from ACLED and Ukrainian officials, highlighting a surge in combatant losses. It discusses expert views from conflict analysts warning of further escalation, potentially affecting civilian populations. This source provides balanced context, urging caution with figures until ACLED’s final report.

Extracted resolution criteria links:
[‘https://acleddata.com/ukraine-conflict-monitor/‘]


Claude Vision analysis response:


Looking at this ACLED Ukraine Conflict Monitor page, I can extract the following relevant data for assessing state-based conflict deaths:

## Current Death Toll Data (as of the page’s reporting):
– **Total reported fatalities**: 133,828
– **Civilian fatalities**: 12,376 (9% of total)

## Recent Monthly Trends:
The bar chart shows fatalities per month with recent months displaying:
– A general declining trend from earlier peaks
– Recent months appear to show fatality counts in the range of approximately 1,000-2,000 per month based on the bar heights
– The most recent visible months show relatively stable but still significant casualty levels



GPT Multiple Choice JSON response:


My assistants’ collection of ACLED updates and contemporaneous news reporting (ACLED weekly note showing a sharp week-over-week spike in early September; multiple media and UN/partner updates through Sep 21–23) point to a preliminary ACLED-count for September already in the low-to-mid thousands as of Sep 23. Treating the ACLED partial-month tally as the best current baseline, the simplest anchor is “where ACLED stands now” plus an estimate for additional deaths that will be recorded for the remaining days of the month.

Why I weight the middle bins heavily. If ACLED’s partial-month count is ≈1,400–1,500 by Sep 23 (as multiple sources reported and the ACLED dashboard indicates), only a week remains; normal variation in daily event rates can push the final monthly total modestly up or down but makes very low totals (<1,000) extremely unlikely and makes it plausible the month finishes above 1,500. The largest mass should therefore sit in the 1,500–2,000 bin, with meaningful but smaller probability that the month ends between 1,000–1,500 (if the early spike was front-loaded and reporting lags/definitions reduce the final ACLED tally), and a non-negligible tail that the month exceeds 2,000 (if violence remains elevated or a multi-day intense operation produces many additional state-based deaths).
 
Reasoning about base rates, seasonality, and verification. Historically since 2022 ACLED monthly state-based fatalities in Ukraine have been highly volatile but commonly in the low thousands when heavy fighting occurs. September is not exceptional in reducing operations; fall campaigns are typical. ACLED’s methodology is conservative relative to some battlefield claims (it requires verification of events), so extremely large spikes claimed by single-party sources are sometimes not fully reflected. That argues against assigning all mass to the >2,000 tail absent clear evidence of sustained extra-large operations in the final week. Conversely, multiple independent sources and ACLED’s own early-September notes showing a large week-over-week jump reduce the plausibility of very low totals.


Final calibration and probability assignment. Combining the mid-month ACLED baseline, likely additional deaths in the final week, the chance of downward corrections, and the possibility of upward revisions or late escalations, I place most probability in 1,500–2,000, meaningful probability in 1,000–1,500, and small tails to <1,000 and >2,000. I also give small probability to <500 (essentially negligible) given current partial tallies.


Probabilities (final)
Less than 500: 1%
Between 500 and 1,000: 2%
Between 1,000 and 1,500: 20%
Between 1,500 and 2,000: 55%
Greater than 2,000: 22%


Gemini Multiple Choice response:


As of September 23, 2025, ACLED’s data indicates a preliminary total of approximately 1,450 deaths for the month so far. [SocialMediaResearch] This crucial piece of information already places the current count significantly above the lower bounds of the possible answer options.

Analyzing the current trajectory, the average daily death rate for the first 23 days of September (1450 deaths / 23 days) is approximately 63 deaths per day. If this rate were to hold steady for the remaining 7 days of September, an additional 441 deaths would be reported (63 deaths/day * 7 days), bringing the total to approximately 1,891 deaths. This figure would fall within the “Between 1500 and 2000” category.


Anthropic response:


The most critical data point comes from the social media research, which indicates ACLED’s preliminary total stands at approximately 1,450 deaths as of September 23, 2025. This figure encompasses both civilian and combatant fatalities from both Ukrainian and Russian forces. With only about 7-8 days remaining in September, this provides a strong anchor for my forecast.

The recent trend data shows concerning escalation patterns. The ACLED Ukraine Conflict Monitor reported 97 civilian fatalities from targeting in just the first week of September, representing a 94% week-over-week increase. Multiple sources cite daily Russian casualties alone exceeding 1,000 in recent days, though not all of these would necessarily be counted as deaths versus wounded. The Ukrainian General Staff reports from September 20-21 show Russian losses of 1,010 and 1,070 respectively, contributing to the month’s accumulating toll.

Historical context from the ACLED monitor visualization shows recent monthly death tolls typically falling in the 1,000-2,000 range, with the total conflict having produced 133,828 reported fatalities overall. The bar chart suggests recent months have stabilized at these elevated levels after earlier peaks. September historically shows higher volatility due to seasonal military operations, with last year’s September figure reportedly around 1,800 deaths.

Given that we’re at 1,450 deaths with approximately one week remaining, the mathematical projection becomes relatively straightforward. If the current daily average continues (roughly 60-70 deaths per day based on the 1,450 over ~23 days), we’d expect an additional 420-560 deaths by month’s end, bringing the total to approximately 1,870-2,010. However, the recent escalation noted in multiple sources suggests the daily rate may be increasing rather than holding steady.

The recent reports of 1,000+ Russian casualties per day need careful interpretation – these figures likely include wounded as well as killed, and ACLED’s methodology would only count confirmed deaths. Even if only 10-20% of reported casualties are deaths, this still suggests significant daily tolls that align with the preliminary 1,450 figure.


The weight of evidence strongly points toward the “Between 1500 and 2000” category. With 1,450 deaths already recorded and a week remaining amid escalating violence, exceeding 1,500 is nearly certain. Reaching 2,000 is possible but would require either significant upward revision of existing data or continuation of the highest daily death rates reported. Falling below 1,500 would require either major data revision downward (unlikely given ACLED’s methodology) or essentially zero additional deaths in the remaining days (extremely unlikely given ongoing combat).

The “Between 1000 and 1500” category gets some probability because the 1,450 figure could potentially be revised downward or might include some October events mistakenly, though this seems unlikely given ACLED’s rigorous methodology. The “Greater than 2000” category is possible if the recent escalation accelerates further or if reporting lags mean current figures are significantly understated.


Less than 500: 1%
Between 500 and 1,000: 2%
Between 1,000 and 1,500: 22%
Between 1,500 and 2,000: 55%
Greater than 2,000: 20%


GPT Multiple Choice JSON response: (Carolyn‘s note: As comparedt with the unique GPT output above, this instance of its output is one of the occasional ones  in which the results and the final “Model’s Answer” are identical.. Therefore, I have edited out this partiular GPT output.)


Model’s Answer:

– Primary source priority: ACLED is the stated resolution source, so I weight ACLED’s Ukraine Conflict Monitor and its near-real-time dashboard far more heavily than secondary reporting. Visuals and the assistants’ ACLED pulls show recent monthly bars for 2025 in the ~1,000–2,000 range, and the research notes a preliminary (mid/late-September) tally around ~1,450 as of Sept 23. That mid-month figure is the most informative anchor for a month-to-date forecast because the month is already >75% complete. Historical monthly patterns in 2024–2025 show Ukraine’s state-based conflict deaths typically clustering between ~1k and ~2k per month (seasonal and operational cycles produce volatility but rarely produce single-month totals far below 1k or reliably above 2k absent a massive new campaign).
– Trajectory math: If ACLED’s current month-to-date ≈1,450 (as reported in the research notes) represents deaths through Sept 23 (~23 days), that’s ~63/day. Projecting that average through the remaining ~7–8 days adds roughly 440–500 deaths, putting a straight average projection near 1,900–1,950 — inside the 1,500–2,000 bin. If the daily rate falls (e.g., down to ~30–40/day) the month-end result would drop into 1,600–1,750; if the rate falls further it could land in 1,000–1,500. Conversely, a surge (e.g., sustained 100+/day) could push the month over 2,000. Given the mid-month anchor and typical weekly volatility, the most likely outcome is that the final ACLED September total will finish in the 1,500–2,000 band.
– Reporting lag and revisions: ACLED updates can add deaths after the end of the calendar month (reporting lags, verification). That makes small upward adjustment likely versus any “live” snapshot. But those revisions tend to shift totals by hundreds rather than thousands in a single month. That makes a move from ~1.4k mid-month to under 1k highly unlikely, and a move to well over 2k possible but not the modal outcome absent a major sudden escalation.
– Base-rate and contrarian checks: Base-rate (recent-month distribution) and the mid-month ACLED anchor both point away from the extremes. Less than 500 and 500–1,000 are extremely unlikely given current mid-month figures and historical monthly baselines. Greater than 2,000 is plausible but would require either a persistent daily death rate well above the month-to-date average for the remainder of the month or a major escalation / mass-casualty events that ACLED documents quickly; given current signals I assign that a non-negligible but minority probability.
– Uncertainty and volatility: Week-to-week casualty counts have been volatile; a few high-casualty events or intense multi-day operations could materially change the final number. Because the scoring is Brier-based and extremes are costly if wrong, I hedge away from extreme certainties and put most mass on the mid-high outcome (1,500–2,000) while keeping substantial probability in the adjacent 1,000–1,500 bin and a smaller tail above 2,000.


Critical assumptions and their failure risks
1) Assumption: The mid/late-September ACLED snapshot (~1,450 by Sept 23) used as the anchor is accurate and representative of the month-to-date.
– Probability this assumption fails materially: 12%.
– If this fails (e.g., the true ACLED month-to-date value is substantially lower/higher due to data misread or the snapshot being earlier), the forecast could shift one bin down or up. I account for this by assigning non-trivial mass to the adjacent bins.
2) Assumption: Daily death rate for the remainder of September will be near the month-to-date average (±50%).
– Probability this assumption fails (i.e., remainder days are far below or far above): 20%.
– If it fails on the high side (sustained surge), final totals could exceed 2,000; if it fails on the low side (localized pauses, ceasefire-like lull, or reporting gap), final totals could fall into 1,000–1,500.
3) Assumption: No single, extremely large, late-September event (mass-casualty episode or major new offensive) will change totals by >500 deaths in the last week.
– Probability this assumption fails: 15%.
– Failure would raise the probability of the >2,000 bin materially. Conversely, an unexpected ceasefire or major reporting blackout could depress numbers below projections.


How these assumptions feed into the final probabilities
– I treat the mid-month ACLED anchor as the strongest single input but allow for realistic variance in the last week. Combining the base-rate distribution (recent months concentrated 1k–2k), the MTD anchor, expected reporting lag (small upward drift), and week-to-week volatility yields the probability mass concentrated in the two central bins, tilted toward the higher central bin (1,500–2,000) because the MTD value is already in the upper half of the 1k–2k range and because several more days remain to add deaths.


Final probabilities


Less than 500: 1%
Between 500 and 1,000: 3%
Between 1,000 and 1,500: 30%
Between 1,500 and 2,000: 55%
Greater than 2,000: 11%

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